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decrepitude 12-18-2008 07:18 AM

Recording midi notes
 
Is it possible to record midi note and velocity info into one of the sequencer modules? Can it be done on the fly?

jue 12-18-2008 08:59 AM

recording of MIDI not possible
 
Hello,

the recording of MIDI into the Seqs is not possible.
Wether the notes nor the velocity.

But would be nice to have! ;)

best
jue

jim 12-18-2008 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by decrepitude (Post 409)
Is it possible to record midi note and velocity info into one of the sequencer modules? Can it be done on the fly?

Not yet, I'm working on some ideas for implementing that later on.

Cheers,
Jim

decrepitude 12-19-2008 09:29 AM

I think it's very important. It's almost a deal breaker for me, because I like to perform/improvise parts live and record the midi in real time.

jim 12-19-2008 12:21 PM

Can you tell me more about your workflow? It will both help me determine exactly what features you're looking for, and I may be able to offer some workarounds.

Cheers,
Jim

sonomute 12-19-2008 04:19 PM

Yes, please! We DO need midi input:)

VicDiesel 01-04-2009 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by decrepitude (Post 429)
It's almost a deal breaker for me,

Colour me surprised. A sequencer that is in version 2 without midi input?

I was hoping that I could use this as a midi sketch pad. Does anyone have a recommendation for a simple application that can record and manipulate midi?

Intended workflow: I stick a keyboard into my laptop, switch on the click track, and then just play.

Victor.

jim 01-04-2009 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by VicDiesel (Post 633)
Colour me surprised. A sequencer that is in version 2 without midi input?

I was hoping that I could use this as a midi sketch pad. Does anyone have a recommendation for a simple application that can record and manipulate midi?

Intended workflow: I stick a keyboard into my laptop, switch on the click track, and then just play.

At $199, Logic 8 Express is pretty hard to beat.

Numerology is not a MIDI Sequencer; it is a modular step & pattern sequencer. It can generate and process MIDI and it can be controlled via MIDI, but it has no facilities for recording, storing, editing or playing back MIDI. It would certainly be nice if it did those things, and they may be added later, but those functions are really not what Numerology 2 is about.

The goal of Numerology is to allow you think of music composition in terms that have nothing to do with playing a keyboard -- indeed, its most interesting features are about creating things you cannot play with a keyboard. The ideas that Numerology implements come from the early Moog & Buchla sequencers : customizable machines for making music in a CV-based modular synthesis environment. Buchla doesn't even call his current sequencing module a "sequencer", he calls it an "arbitrary function generator".

Numerology starts with those ideas and extends them immensely so that you can keep the benefits of step sequencing (immediacy, interactivity) without the limitations (fixed compositional parameters). The ideas that are at the center of most MIDI sequencers (Logic, DP, Cubase, et. al) come from multi-track studio tape recorders : record something, play it back, edit it. Both are completely valid, useful ways of making music. DAW functionality is extremely well represented in the market, but IMHO, modular step sequencing is not.

I do see a use for recording and playing back MIDI in Numerology in the future, and certainly using MIDI to control playback of Numerology's sequences is already an important part of what it offers. But I specifically decided a while back to hold off on any sort of "MIDI recording" functions in Numerology 2 for several reasons:

- Other apps already do that very well, there's no point in duplicating what they offer, particularly when most customers already have such an app.

- Implementation of any feature involves cost: each and every one, no matter how small, takes time to implement, test and maintain. In other words, every feature comes at the cost of some other feature. Adding any sort of piano-roll anything to N2, which is a pretty big feature, would have either meant greatly extending what has already been an over-long development cycle, or dropping features that are intrinsic to what Numerology is really about. Much better to focus on and enhance what makes Numerology unique and interesting, rather than water things down by trying to implementing everything for everyone.

- I have several *very* radical ideas on how I might implement MIDI recording and playback in a way that would follow Numerology's methodology, and those ideas are still evolving. I don't plan to start writing any code in that area until those ideas have stabilized, I feel like the existing functional areas of Numerology are fully realized, and I have a solid block of time to concentrate on them.

So again, if you're looking to record MIDI from a keyboard, at least for now, you'll have to look somewhere else. Numerology 2 is about allowing you to easily create patterns that produce interesting results you cannot readily attain elsewhere. To see this in action, watch the videos, especially #2 and #3 (http://www.five12.com/t.html), or look at the "Airport Voices" project in the Examples folder. It abstracts the process of composition, allowing you to explore many, many interesting techniques -- things that can be a great compliment to more standard approaches, like playing instruments, or creative remixing.

And BTW, I have not forgotten about the need to program a sequencer in 'real time' from a MIDI keyboard, which is really quite different from midi recording in general -- as that is a translation from the realm of MIDI into a CV-based step sequencer rather than a MIDI recording function. It is on the feature queue and will get some attention when its time comes.

Best,
Jim

sonomute 01-05-2009 10:01 AM

Numerology is very interesting piece of software, allowing generate and manipulate data in hundreds of different ways, it is very complex and unusual for the market, giving us chance to have different approach to music making...
but still, i`d like to generate data based on something i control, and then manipulate results...it is so natural and simple just to take midi-keyboard, play some notes, find interesting melody or whatever, and then, develop it to the more complex thing using Numerology modules and algorithms...

For now, i`m not controlling any single thing, sometimes i`m getting interesting results just using mouse of course or randomizing function but most of the time it is sounds like shit:))) There is no point to put some random notes to step-sequencer and then process it with some other randomizing sequencers, it still will be random data, even if it will be very complex setup.

I bought Num few weeks ago and little by little i`m giving it up... there are a lot of advanced functions but absence of some basic ones...

I understand your position but nobody will make fun of you if Numerology will have normal midi recording,or, even better, midi programming(i mean programming modules from external midi controllers function). I think that actually it will only do some good for you and others, more people will be able to use it, not only such a mad scientists as you, Jim ;)

Anyway, thank you for your work, i hope my 1 hundred bucks will do you some good, and i will go back to my old tools for now i think...

sonomute 01-05-2009 10:21 AM

but what a pity...
it is a single little step to numerology to become very good composition and improvisation tool ...

it is just not everybody able to write notation, and to compose something inside of their head and then put it on paper or to poly-note:)))

If i thinking about Numerology as something like modern way of making serial composition like Webern music but electronic, i`m not really specialist in this, but i know that first step is to choose serie of notes, and then implement some operations to that serie...
This is what i`m doing in my stuff all the time, before it was sampled material, now i started to work with synths...

I was too fast in my conclusions in previous post, of course i will not give up Numerology, i love it, and it is my first piece of software ever bought(you see how much i like it! :)))


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