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Ewan 01-28-2010 09:48 AM

Apple iPad + Numerology

I would really love to use some form of Numerology on one of these.

Jim- check out the SDK which comes with an iPad simulator

The control possibilities should be very great.

Any thoughts or ideas from anyone?

I don't know if I have posted this in the best place on the forum, so please move the thread if you know of a better home for it.

Ewan 01-28-2010 09:51 AM

Oops, my first thread seems to be a duplicate. Sorry guys.

amoeba 01-28-2010 04:19 PM

my take on the whole iPad thing... it's not a powerhouse for computing, it will probably never run AU/VST's, etc (in other words, it's not a laptop replacement) but what i do see this being killer at is a controller (think lemur for 75% off) and all the other possible connotations that come with that.

i would LOVE to see some sort of control bridge for Num on the iPad. not exactly sure how that could be done, if at all, but in some ways it would be ARD-type control.

if there will be ARD on this (which i doubt) then the request is moot.

anyway, i'm sure jim already has a few ideas in his head. i am excited to see where this whole iPad thang is going to take us...

jim 01-28-2010 06:11 PM

what's ARD?


amoeba 01-29-2010 03:36 PM

sorry - apple remote desktop, i.e. VNC

kodama 01-29-2010 04:24 PM

Supposedly a lot of audio apps on the Touch platform are already audio units. But you can only run your apps' audio unit, so it ends up being a custom host to run one audio unit.

VNC/ARD control of a desktop OS totally blows. There are major issues with the touch interface not having pressure for dragging, screen updates, cursor following, etc...

Native touch apps and apps like Touch OSC seem to be the best use for these devices.
Maybe a Numerology helper app or a baby numerology that is OSC only..

But for now we have Touch OSC and it is beautiful, just needs an iPad update and OSC for N3!

jim 01-30-2010 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by kodama (Post 3013)
Native touch apps and apps like Touch OSC seem to be the best use for these devices.
Maybe a Numerology helper app or a baby numerology that is OSC only..

You're getting warmer....


ToniSpeck 01-31-2010 10:09 AM

That sound intriguing. After seeing the iPad, I could "see" a nice market for a Numerology version without the AU support, just pure sequencer for all the windows and hardware guys that don't want to buy a new mac. On top of that multitouch+well thought GUI could deliver a terrific environment. Now, does the A4 CPU deliver de goods?

kodama 01-31-2010 01:33 PM

I bet it could handle sequencing & some simple sample playback devices & maybe a few n2 effects?

jim 01-31-2010 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by ToniSpeck (Post 3023)
Now, does the A4 CPU deliver de goods?

A very good question. Other than that spec, and some nice demos, there's no public information on the chip. Clearly it has a decent GPU, but is it a single core CPU + GPU or a dual core CPU + GPU, or some sort of exotic multi-core CPU+GPU combo. Is the math fixed point like the iPhone, or floating point like a desktop chip -- that has a big effect on writing and porting music-dsp algorithms of all sorts. My guess is that it is comparable to a single core 1.5 Ghz Core chip, possibly better, with a decent GPU -- probably 2X the performance overall of an iPhone 3Gs, good enough for a few synthesis voices and simple FX, but not in the same class as even an average laptop.

There are other questions: Have they added CoreMIDI to iPhone OS 3.2? I haven't looked yet, but I'm guessing no. Without that, how to you transmit note information outside the device? OSC is an option, but what about timing, and how do you convert OSC to MIDI, and what about sync? So many questions...

What I think is very clear, based on even:rolleyes: limited experience using TouchOSC with Numerology, is that it will be fantastic controller. It can never be quite as physically satisfying as something with real knobs, faders & buttons, but the iPad (and iPhone & iPod Touch) make up for that by being infinitely configurable, and remarkably responsive. So that for now is my focus: extending the same remote control ideas (and code) I've been developing for MIDI-based controllers to the touch-screen environment.


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