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Old 10-23-2009, 07:23 PM
jim jim is offline
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Default Roadmap : Numerology 3 and the Five12 Sequencer Kit

This posting is to reveal some details on the future development plans for Numerology and related plugins. As with all plans, they will probably change a bit, but the overall picture currently looks like this:

Updates on Numerology 2.2 and the MonoNote AU

Early builds and testing of the MonoNote AU has gone very well. Everyone loves having the MonoNote as a plugin, and the integration advantages seem to outweigh any issues regarding latency. I have two major features to finish coding, and a few smaller ones, but once those are done (my current estimate is 2-3 weeks), I will make a public build available.

As anyone who has examined the early screenshots may have guessed, the MonoNote AU leverages a lot from the main Numerology code base. What this means is that once all the "hosting details" are taken care of (i.e. MIDI transmission, AU params and presets, etc.), then I can pretty easily start making versions of other Numerology modules. More on that later.

For Numerology 2.2, there will be a one or two more beta builds, then I will move it to "release candidate" status, with the expectation that it will be released at about the same time as the MonoNote AU goes "public beta".

Numerology 3

After Numerology 2.2 is released, the next big development push will be for what I call the Numerology 3 development cycle. This includes the following products:

- The MonoNote AU

- Numerology 3, (N3) a paid upgrade for Numerology 2.

- Numerology 3 Pro, (N3 Pro) a new, expanded version of Numerology.

- The Five12 Sequencer Kit : (FSK) a set of 5 Audio Unit sequencing plugins, comprised of AU versions of several sequencing modules from Numerology: the MonoNote, the PolyNote, the Drum Sequencer, the Chord Sequencer, and a Discrete Sequencing combo (some combination of Interval, Gate & Velocity sequencers that I have not finalized yet).

So we are jumping from one product to four, at three different price points. Each product has a specific focus in terms of what users may be looking for, and this has perhaps made everything a bit more complicated than it needs to be. But the benefit is that it gives users the ability to choose what fits their workflow the best. This new product mix will also help me determine where to focus my efforts based on which products are the most popular.

- The MonoNote AU is the entry-level, super-inexpensive "try out the Numerology concept" product. If you have a Numerology 2 or 3 license, you get to use the MonoNote AU for no extra charge.

- Numerology 3 is the mainstream upgrade for folks who prefer to run Numerology standalone, but for whom it is perhaps not the center of their sequencing setup, or they are not ready to upgrade to the Pro version.

- The Five12 Sequencer Kit is for users who specifically want to run plugin versions of Numerology sequencers.

- Numerology 3 Pro is for those who want everything. An N3 Pro license gets you both Numerology 3 with a significantly expanded feature set, and the ability to run all the plugins in the FSK.


Tentative pricing for these producs (in US Dollars) is:

MonoNote AU : $39
Numerology 3 : $119
Five12 Sequencer Kit : $119
Numerology 3 Pro : $199

Upgrades & Crossgrades

I see Numerology 3 and the FSK as "sibling" products, so they are priced the same, but you can easily crossgrade between them: Owners of either product will be able to crossgrade for $40.

A quick note: there will be discounts on most upgrades and crossgrades during what I call the "trial period", more on that in a bit.

Numerology 3 Pro is the "umbrella" product: If you have a license for it, you get access to everything. The standard price for upgrading to N3 Pro from either N3 or the FSK is $80, or $40 if you have already bought a crossgrade for N3 or the FSK.

The MonoNote AU will be available standalone as an "entry-level" plugin, and you can upgrade from that to the FSK for $80, and from there to the N3 crossgrade or the Pro version.

The upgrade from Numerology 2 to Numerology 3 will $40, and that includes the FSK crossgrade. Or you can upgrade directly to N3 Pro for $80.

Betas & the Trial Period

My experience using a private beta test group for the early MonoNote AU builds has been very successful, so I plan to expand it a bit. Instead of following my usual path of releasing a lot of early builds to anyone that is interested, I will limit early builds of N3, N3 Pro and the FSK to the private beta group.

Public builds of the new products will become available once they are reasonably stable, and most features are in place. So that means that it will be longer before you get any public betas to try, but when you get them, they will be more usable.

Once public builds of N3, N3 Pro and the FSK are available, then licenses will be available for regular users to purchase, if they want to be early adopters, or they can wait until the main release. This is what I referred to as the "trial period". It will last from when the first public betas of the new products are released, until a few days after their final release. During that time, crossgrades between N3 and the FSK, and upgrades to N3 Pro will be discounted a bit (I don't know how much yet).


I can't say exactly what all features will be in N3 or N3 Pro, but much of what will be there has been discussed at some point on the forum. I should also point out that many of the features that will become available have already been prototyped, so development will proceed very quickly.

Here are a few highlights:

N3 & N3 Pro:
- A new UI based on the one used by the MonoNote AU.
- Better options for importing & exporting modules.
- Various usability tweaks and other features.

N3 Pro:
- Extensive OSC support
- A new remote-control protocol, with both MIDI and OSC support
- New logic modules
- New audio processing modules
- New synthesis options
- Programmable user scales
- Per-stack audio recording
- Support for multi-output AU's (and sidechain inputs)
- Many other items

Features for the FSK will mirror what is happening with the MonoNote AU; just use your imagination to visualize how the other modules will look and work in that environment.

Numerology 3.1 and 3.2

As I cannot squeeze everything into the Numerology 3.0 release, some features will be postponed to following releases. There will be no separate upgrade charges for those releases.

The Numerology AU

As I mentioned early on, once I have the MonoNote running smoothly as an AU, getting other Numerology modules to run as plugins is not all that hard -- it still takes some work to "port" things over, test them, deal with AU-specific oddities and all, but all that is manageable. The goal, of course, is to be able to load entire Numerology stacks as plugin instances, and I think that is likely possible, but everything cannot happen at once. First I have to verify that the MonoNoteAU is a practical sequencing solution, then port the other sequencing modules to build the FSK, and (at pretty much the same time), put together N3 and N3 Pro. (There is a lot of overlap between N3 and the FSK in terms of UI development).

Then, when that is all together, I'll start implementing a way to host full Numerology stacks (with all modules) within a plugin. When that happens, the resulting "Numerology AU" will be part of N3 Pro, but will appear in a release after 3.0 itself (probably 3.1). So even if you are only ever interested in running Numerology as an AU, there is significant motivation to get N3 Pro during the trial period, as you will save some money.

New Purchasers

If you purchased (or purchase) Numerology on or after October 15th 2009, then you can get a Numerology 3 license/serial number for free. You would still have to pay the crossgrade if you want the FSK, or to upgrade to N3 Pro, but you will of course be eligible for discounted pricing during the trial period. To request the N3 serial number, just send an email to Five12 anytime after the first N3 build becomes available.

That's all for now. Feel free to ask any questions you like. Some of them I'll be able to answer now, but others I may not be able answer for a while.


Last edited by jim; 10-23-2009 at 07:29 PM.
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Old 10-23-2009, 09:23 PM
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looks great! can't wait for all the fun new stuff.
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Old 10-24-2009, 12:29 AM
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Very fair & reasonable. Bring it on brother!
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Old 10-24-2009, 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jim View Post
Feel free to ask any questions you like.
How about also including "per-stack MIDI recording" in N3 Pro?

Or even better up: a "MIDI Recorder Module" to route wherever you want to snag the passing MIDI and have a MIDI file generated on the drive.

I would personally love that because it would open up the possibility to use N3 Pro more like an advanced composition tool/sketch pad. I mean, not worrying about practical sound design while creating the music as MIDI texture with all its gestures, direction and movements. For monitoring you can use simple low CPU instruments with a generic response to the usual CC#'s. Then import the generated MIDI file into another host that works in a linear way and is more focused on traditional sound design (Logic, Cubase, Pro Tools etc).
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Old 10-24-2009, 04:33 PM
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Looking forward to the future development. The Cross-grade pricing seems more than fair.

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Old 10-24-2009, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Per Boysen View Post
How about also including "per-stack MIDI recording" in N3 Pro?

Or even better up: a "MIDI Recorder Module" to route wherever you want to snag the passing MIDI and have a MIDI file generated on the drive.
MIDI Recording (and some kind of MIDI import) are both on the N3 Pro development list, but I can't say yet what the priority is (i.e. 3.0 or 3.1).

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Old 10-24-2009, 08:04 PM
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Awesome !!

Btw, can you perhaps consider adding a minor 3.0.3 version to the planning schedule for some arbitrary purpose? Just to please my personal numerological preferences, nothing serious.
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:37 AM
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I'm with Per on the midi-record bandwagon.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:17 AM
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Sound great Jim. I want it all. So please, forget about all this upgrade pricing systems, etc.. You code, we pay. Almost anything. And so far it looks pretty promising. Can't wait and need it tomorrow

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Old 10-26-2009, 07:54 AM
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mmhhh... can't wait for N3Pro; specially for user-definable scales and logic-modules. I am dreaming of a "function-module" where you can define your own algorithms..
I am with XMS "You code we pay"... and play... ;-))

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