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Old 05-11-2010, 04:11 PM
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Thought you might like to see this Ipad seq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYpfnV36hBA
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Old 05-31-2010, 01:22 AM
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I think an interesting concept would be to run the AUs remotely, like Logic does with Logic Nodes. Consider this live performance scenario: All heavy number-crunching is done on, say, a MacMini, which is the audio I/O device and thus the part that needs to be wired. The iPad is running Numerology's control part and is connected via WiFi, thus freely moveable around.
Of course, this is still not easy to do. As far as I know, Apple does not tell much about their Logic Nodes technique, only the requirements that AudioUnits must fulfill in order to let them work remotely, but not their network protocol nor even a remote-hosting example code. And, I doubt that you can run an AudioUnit's custom UI on the iPad, so we would have to manage with a generic UI. Is is then still worthwhile? Furthermore, the question whether or how Numerology can be "touch-adapted" is open.
What do you all think?
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Old 05-31-2010, 02:40 PM
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hmm... could it be that OSC is the Magic Word? With that, "Numerology Nodes" would not even need to be "closed" - probably. But then, I'm wondering why apparently there isn't any OSC-based standard Logic-Nodes-like remote plug-in chainer yet... or is it?
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Old 05-31-2010, 09:51 PM
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hmm... could it be that OSC is the Magic Word? With that, "Numerology Nodes" would not even need to be "closed" - probably. But then, I'm wondering why apparently there isn't any OSC-based standard Logic-Nodes-like remote plug-in chainer yet... or is it?
Not that I'm aware of, and OSC support among plugins in general is pretty lacking, but I think the growing use of OSC on iPhone/iPad controller apps may improve that situation.

On the running-AU's-remotely front, it is certainly possible to host AU's on one computer and control them from another, but you definitely cannot use the plugin's 'native' UI in that case -- almost all AU user interfaces expect to be in the same memory space as the rendering part. So yes, you'd have to make do with a generic UI, but then many AUs have huge numbers of parameters (several hundred)...

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Old 06-01-2010, 01:53 AM
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Not that I'm aware of, and OSC support among plugins in general is pretty lacking, but I think the growing use of OSC on iPhone/iPad controller apps may improve that situation.
Oh, I did not mean OSC support of a plugin itself, but of a "chainer" host, like a separated audio portion of Numerology.
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On the running-AU's-remotely front, it is certainly possible to host AU's on one computer and control them from another, but you definitely cannot use the plugin's 'native' UI in that case -- almost all AU user interfaces expect to be in the same memory space as the rendering part.
You certainly are right.
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So yes, you'd have to make do with a generic UI, but then many AUs have huge numbers of parameters (several hundred)...
Then maybe we should leave the native UI on the (not-too-)remote machine in the rack, and call the whole thing remote parameter automation. Hundreds of parameters are certainly a thing for studio work and a mouse-centric UI, not for a live situation. The main focus on an iPad app would be to do "cooler things" with parameters. And with MIDI, not to forget. A generic UI page might be offered, too, in case someone still needs to tweak a single parameter by hand.
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Old 06-01-2010, 02:17 AM
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Oh, I'm just seeing that the OSC controlled audio chain part looks dead-easy to build with Bidule...
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:57 AM
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The Spectrasonics meister posted this a couple days ago on KVR, looks like something that could plausibly be done with Numerology for pretty interesting results.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewto...085&highlight=
http://bit.ly/bgSVLr

Just an app that turns an iPad display into a virtual desktop w/ touchscreen enabled
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Old 06-01-2010, 12:10 PM
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Right now, I mostly just want to see Touch Osc easily integrate with Numerology, including sequencer position feedback (similar to the Launchpad Support). Along with my previously requested OSC/Midi control of all preset functions:

- Norm/Clear all - to 'zero' out a preset without deleting it.

- Copy preset parameters

- Paste preset parameters (so you can work on a preset, copy its parameters, then launch a new preset, and paste the parameters as a starting point)

I think moving in this direction would make iPad + N3 a sequencing dream!

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Old 06-02-2010, 10:27 AM
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I haven't used it yet myself, but from what I have heard, Air Display is going to be your best option (for now) to Numerology control from the iPad. Certainly you can setup Touch OSC (and other OSC apps) via OSC learn in 3.0 to control stuff, but it cannot offer the sort of interactivity that Air Display can.

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Old 06-02-2010, 01:38 PM
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It could be cool, but I have reservations from my testing of controlling desktop apps via a touch interface.

From the videos, it looks like it has very slow response rate.

You would also probably have to tweak Numerology a little to work well with touch interfaces.

Dragging is a pain when you have no button. Also, there is no cursor in TouchOSC for a reason!
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